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absolutely right, i think it's a striking analogy but guess what, john kerry lost by the same amount he was trailing before that debate. so that gets to the question whether debates really have, whether they really matter that much. and i went back and looked at every debate and every poll before and after since 1960, and the only candidate who gained substantially from debates, jerry ford who blew the biggest debate night of his career. so i'm skeptical, particularly with a rather small group of persuadeables, even though mike murphy may be right i'm skeptical this is really going to change the playing field a lot. >> rose: mike murphy, how would you convince him. >> i think what happens now is romney has a huge opportunity because what happened tonight is not really a static thing, it's part of a dynamic process. so now, obama will fight off the process stories for a while. there's new interest in romney. they saw a guy tonight that a lot of the country would see romney through the filter of advertising saying wait a minute this is an interesting guy. the romney campaign is going t
absolutely right, i think it's a striking analogy but guess what, john kerry lost by the same amount he was trailing before that debate. so that gets to the question whether debates really have, whether they really matter that much. and i went back and looked at every debate and every poll before and after since 1960, and the only candidate who gained substantially from debates, jerry ford who blew the biggest debate night of his career. so i'm skeptical, particularly with a rather small group...
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john kerry played mitt romney for the president. not hearing so much with john kerry. we'll check in with that. both candidates threw around big numbers, our own tom foreman joins us with a reality check? >> this is the dominant feature of the entire election, jobs, jobs, jobs, and the first issue these candidates lit into tonight. listen. >> over the last 30 months, we've seen 5 million jobs in the private sector created. the auto industry has come roaring back. and housing has begunto rise. >> they are suffering in this country. and we talk about evidence, lock at the evidence of the last four years, he is absolutely extraordinary. 23 million people out of work. >> you heard the fundamental claim there. the president said he claimed 5 million jobs, mitt romney says not so much. in 2009, this is what the country looked like, everywhere you see a brown state, they were losing jobs in the first full year of barack obama's presidency. unemployment, 10.6%, but three years passed, we saw increases in retail, health care, education, and look at the map today. every state th
john kerry played mitt romney for the president. not hearing so much with john kerry. we'll check in with that. both candidates threw around big numbers, our own tom foreman joins us with a reality check? >> this is the dominant feature of the entire election, jobs, jobs, jobs, and the first issue these candidates lit into tonight. listen. >> over the last 30 months, we've seen 5 million jobs in the private sector created. the auto industry has come roaring back. and housing has...
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john kerry in '04. >> this is somebody who proved he's going to run to the finish line last night. >> much more to come, special post debate edition of the daily rundown in denver. big supporters for both campaigns here to break down the debate. senator orrin hatch on behalf of mitt romney and governor mark o'malley on behalf of president obama. president obama does two rallies. one in denver. one in madison, wisconsin. then heads home. mitt romney, nothing here. flies and joins paul ryan in virginia later today. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. new prilosec otc wildberry is the same frequent heartburn treatment as prilosec otc. now with a fancy coating that gives you a burst of wildberry flavor. now why make a flavored heartburn pill? because this is america. and we don't just make things you want, we make things you didn't even know you wanted. like a spoon fork. spray cheese. and jeans made out of sweatpants. so grab yourself some new prilosec otc wildberry. [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. satisfaction guaranteed or your money b
john kerry in '04. >> this is somebody who proved he's going to run to the finish line last night. >> much more to come, special post debate edition of the daily rundown in denver. big supporters for both campaigns here to break down the debate. senator orrin hatch on behalf of mitt romney and governor mark o'malley on behalf of president obama. president obama does two rallies. one in denver. one in madison, wisconsin. then heads home. mitt romney, nothing here. flies and joins...
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kerry. >> bill: everybody said john kerry won that debate. >> kerry had that -- the big moment where he said saddam hussein did not attack us. osama bin laden did. it really knocked president bush for a loop for a moment. and that was what sort of -- what carried the day for the next couple of days. president bush recovered the next couple of debates. he was better. and it certainly helped bring him closer to president bush but it wasn't enough to put him over the top. >> bill: so there is the question. last night's debate. what happened to president obama? why didn't he come with a little more energy to the debate last night? why didn't he fight back? why didn't he take advantage of the opportunities to rebut some of mitt romney's statements? and do you think it will change the course of this debate? reid epstein from pretty colco is our -- from politico is our guest. call 1-866-55-press. >> announcer: this is the "full court press." the "bill press show." live on your radio and on current tv. >>and now to my point. that is a whole bunch of bunk! the powerful my steal an election bu
kerry. >> bill: everybody said john kerry won that debate. >> kerry had that -- the big moment where he said saddam hussein did not attack us. osama bin laden did. it really knocked president bush for a loop for a moment. and that was what sort of -- what carried the day for the next couple of days. president bush recovered the next couple of debates. he was better. and it certainly helped bring him closer to president bush but it wasn't enough to put him over the top. >>...
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john kerry prepared with all the answers mitt romney given. i'm not sure practice is really the question here. i think the bigger question was, were there things that happened in the debate last night that could come back to haunt governor romney. in his own voice he said the medicare plan he has is to move to voucher system. we haven't had him on the record to the camera saying that yet. there were definitely things that happen. i agree with ed, that 58 million people did watch us on tv. but half the people who will vote didn't watch on tv. a lot will do with how the campaigns both used what was said last night in the coming 33 days. megyn: michael doesn't seem, you know, that concerned about it, ed. we've seen a lot of folks on the left from obama's team, obama's team and other who support him going after everybody. from mitt romney to the moderator, really going after jim lehrer, saying where was he? he needed to take more control. we had even chris wallace on fox news last night thought he did inadequate job. discussion among the anchors,
john kerry prepared with all the answers mitt romney given. i'm not sure practice is really the question here. i think the bigger question was, were there things that happened in the debate last night that could come back to haunt governor romney. in his own voice he said the medicare plan he has is to move to voucher system. we haven't had him on the record to the camera saying that yet. there were definitely things that happen. i agree with ed, that 58 million people did watch us on tv. but...
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. >> john kerry. >> john kerry won the debates. he also did not end up being president. >> yeah, but, karen, i think what's different this time around is the absolute falsification that took place last night. it was breath-taking. it was almost -- well, it was shakespearean in terms of its performance. >> and you know what, martin, to that point, i think part of whether where i'd like to see the obama folks take this message is, we have already had a president who is very comfortable, and a vice president by the way, looking us straight in the eye and lying to us and sending men and women to war. do we want to have another president who can stand on the stage for 90 minutes and lie to the american people? i don't think that's what we want. i think that's dangerous for this country. i think they're really going to have to go hard at that. unfortunately, not a lot of people are reading the fact checks, right? we all know and a lot of the mi knew sha of the facts and where he was wrong and wasn't wrong, i don't know how much people ar
. >> john kerry. >> john kerry won the debates. he also did not end up being president. >> yeah, but, karen, i think what's different this time around is the absolute falsification that took place last night. it was breath-taking. it was almost -- well, it was shakespearean in terms of its performance. >> and you know what, martin, to that point, i think part of whether where i'd like to see the obama folks take this message is, we have already had a president who is...
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one of the mistakes owe obama made was having john kerry, the senator of massachusetts play mitt romney. he wants to be secretary of state in a second obama administration if he wants to. i bet he was not tough on obama. when romney began seriously responding to obama's attacks and romney began going on the offensive on obama's record i think the president was stunned and said, hey this isn't what john kerry did in the practice debates. what is going on here. i worked for vice president quail he did a good job on his debate in 92, he we briefed it, he practiced. you going on that stage, it's you and he alone, i give mitt romney a lot of credit for last night. jenna: we'll continue to watch your writing inks in "the weekly standard" and all your appearances on fox. thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. jon: president obama is back on the campaign trail today after less than stellar reviews on his performance in last night's debate. a live look now where the president is speaking any minute at an event in denver. chief white house correspondent ed henry is there and joins us live. the
one of the mistakes owe obama made was having john kerry, the senator of massachusetts play mitt romney. he wants to be secretary of state in a second obama administration if he wants to. i bet he was not tough on obama. when romney began seriously responding to obama's attacks and romney began going on the offensive on obama's record i think the president was stunned and said, hey this isn't what john kerry did in the practice debates. what is going on here. i worked for vice president quail...
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. >> perhaps, john kerry is a skilled debater, but john kerry also wants to be secretary of state. i wonder how tough he went in those sections because that was the charge against david stockman after ronald reagan in '84. that's why reagan, he was too tough on him. >> ifill: can we talk about body language? one of the thinks we remember is the way al exwoar crowded george w. bush and gave him the look or the way someone sighed, the way the two relate standing next to each other. did you get anything watching that? >> i'm not sure there will be a moment easy to repeat over and over again in the next several days, television shows. i do think romney looked aggressive, maybe a little over-aggressive, a bulldozer, kept going, kept going. i thought if maybe there was a slight advantage, at certain times the president looked a little peefd, a little stiff, maybe, but i wouldn't say there was a big difference between the two. >> woodruff: how did you see it? >> i thought romney didn't know when to take the foot off the pedal a couple of times. he just kept going. >> woodruff: he wanted t
. >> perhaps, john kerry is a skilled debater, but john kerry also wants to be secretary of state. i wonder how tough he went in those sections because that was the charge against david stockman after ronald reagan in '84. that's why reagan, he was too tough on him. >> ifill: can we talk about body language? one of the thinks we remember is the way al exwoar crowded george w. bush and gave him the look or the way someone sighed, the way the two relate standing next to each other....
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kerry playing mitt romney. other staffers in the room firing questions saying you failed at this. you failed at that this person told me the president was answering every question. wasn't getting angry, wasn't losing his temper or his cool. look, it's one thing to have people around you in your orbit throwing quote, unquote fast balls at you, a whole different thing to be with mitt romney getting his first chance face to face to take the president on directly. we will see how hard he is in that realm number one. but, number two, i will tell you i have also spoken with some the president's advisors who admit privately they have some apprehension about the fact that this is the first time they have been on the same stage. they have looked at the tapes from the last 20 or 30 years. if you look at it almost every time in the first debate the challenger wins because they have got the incumbent's record to pick apart. they are apprehensive about that because they know there is a lot that mitt romney can can pick on,
kerry playing mitt romney. other staffers in the room firing questions saying you failed at this. you failed at that this person told me the president was answering every question. wasn't getting angry, wasn't losing his temper or his cool. look, it's one thing to have people around you in your orbit throwing quote, unquote fast balls at you, a whole different thing to be with mitt romney getting his first chance face to face to take the president on directly. we will see how hard he is in that...
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. >> the debate in 2004 between john kerry and george w. bush i, i literally forgot whether or not-- uh-oh, is this a new question or is this a follow-up question? my mind just went blank. and i had to make a decision. and i just guessed right. >> brown: the book highlights so-called major moments in debate history, the ones that come to define an dispnt sometimes ape candidate. george h.w. bush looking at his watch in 1992. >>Ñi thereçóñr guagain. >> brown: those zingers from ronald reagan that wounded jimmy cartener 1980. in the documentary "debating our destiny" jim went back to talk to candidates about their experience of the debates and had the chance to ask whether they prepared famous lines ahead of time. >> lehrer: i asked ronald reagan about, "there you go again," and a couple of others. "no, no, it just came to me." >> no it just seemed to be the thing to say and what he was saying up there. >> brown: did you believe him? >> lehrer: i don't know if i did or i didn't. i found it interesting that nobody wants to admit. >> brown:
. >> the debate in 2004 between john kerry and george w. bush i, i literally forgot whether or not-- uh-oh, is this a new question or is this a follow-up question? my mind just went blank. and i had to make a decision. and i just guessed right. >> brown: the book highlights so-called major moments in debate history, the ones that come to define an dispnt sometimes ape candidate. george h.w. bush looking at his watch in 1992. >>Ñi thereçóñr guagain. >> brown: those...
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john kerry's war record as a weakness and mitt romney's business experience and turn it into a weakness and then you know try to appeal out the independent voters but after a certain point, don't blow your whole campaign war chest going after people who may never end up going your way and instead go back and try to figure out how to inflate your turnout among your base using technology and microtargeting and datamining and all of that. i think the obama campaign has done extremely, extremely well at that. i think you know for if you are going to look at a model, that is one to look at in terms of the strategy employed in this campaign or at least on the romney obama, on the obama side. >> if i could add one quick thing. i kind of doubt that carl is going everyday to check his mailbox for that check. [laughter] >> yeah, you think that is pretty safe. >> we have got one in the middle. back over that way to that side. >> will martindale at aarp. i was just wondering as mr. bolger said both candidates showed that they are qualified to be president last night but i was wondering if you thoug
john kerry's war record as a weakness and mitt romney's business experience and turn it into a weakness and then you know try to appeal out the independent voters but after a certain point, don't blow your whole campaign war chest going after people who may never end up going your way and instead go back and try to figure out how to inflate your turnout among your base using technology and microtargeting and datamining and all of that. i think the obama campaign has done extremely, extremely...
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this is what happens when you pick john kerry as a debate coach. >> gretchen: and what about bill haeh. obama made great points tonight, but unfortunately most for mitt romney. >> brian: that is compelling insight. thank goodness for twitter. i had a chance to see what the world thought. gretchen, tell us what is happening. the middle east is in flames. >> gretchen: foreign policy did not come up last night it was not part of the schedule. maybe they will talk about it next time. this is what happened last night. turkey firing rounds in syria. this is the second straight day. ♪ it comes one day after a shell inside of syria landded on a home in turkey leaving a mom, three daughters and another woman dead. syria later offered condollences. now a deadly form of menigitus leaving four people dead in five states. that number could grow. it is believed that a steroid injected for back pain started the outbreak. it could affect anyone receiving the injection. the massachusetts pharmacy that makes the injection recalling three lots of the drug. >> 1980 spy film. a rushiann-born businessman
this is what happens when you pick john kerry as a debate coach. >> gretchen: and what about bill haeh. obama made great points tonight, but unfortunately most for mitt romney. >> brian: that is compelling insight. thank goodness for twitter. i had a chance to see what the world thought. gretchen, tell us what is happening. the middle east is in flames. >> gretchen: foreign policy did not come up last night it was not part of the schedule. maybe they will talk about it next...
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but do you think the president and his advisors, those helping him whether john kerry playing mitt romney or other aides underestimated mitt romney? >> i don't think so at all. we knew that mitt romney was preparing for this debate. the earliest candidate on record to do so. started preparations in july. did five mock sessions within 48 hours. took the entire week of the democratic convention down. and we saw him last year, remember, he participated in 20 debates last year. he bragged about winning 16 of them. and after he mowed down his republican primary opponents, he'd tell them to stop whining. so i think everybody knew what we were in for. we expected a good performance from mitt romney. but that's what it was. it was performance art. he locked himself into some bad positions that he took during the republican primary, tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, refusing to -- a dime for the wealthiest. and to talk about on the campaign trail in the weeks ahead. >> i assume in the next presidential debate the president will be certainly much more aggressive. that's just my assu
but do you think the president and his advisors, those helping him whether john kerry playing mitt romney or other aides underestimated mitt romney? >> i don't think so at all. we knew that mitt romney was preparing for this debate. the earliest candidate on record to do so. started preparations in july. did five mock sessions within 48 hours. took the entire week of the democratic convention down. and we saw him last year, remember, he participated in 20 debates last year. he bragged...
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john kerry was president obama's sparring partner. do you think he got the same welcome? >> i don't know. i think what we saw last night was mitt romney do very well in terms of form and style, but i think president obama was the clear winner when it comes to substance and truthfulness. mitt romney presented us with the ultimate etch-a-sketch behavior last night as he switched from who he has been throughout most of his life and during this campaign and he said things that were just not accurate. and i think that will catch up with him eventual ly. >> many people are wondering, especially democrats, why president obama didn't attack mitt romney more. why didn't he press him and make that clear to the people who were watching the debate? >> well, you know, i don't know exactly what the president's strategy was. but, quite frankly, what we saw last night was a man who mentioned meeting a couple of people along the campaign trail and said they asked him for his help. as i heard him say that i thought that's thoes are probably people that are part of the 47% that mitt romney
john kerry was president obama's sparring partner. do you think he got the same welcome? >> i don't know. i think what we saw last night was mitt romney do very well in terms of form and style, but i think president obama was the clear winner when it comes to substance and truthfulness. mitt romney presented us with the ultimate etch-a-sketch behavior last night as he switched from who he has been throughout most of his life and during this campaign and he said things that were just not...
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the challenger, john kerry took the battle to george bush and bush the president seemed very uneyes, didn't seem comfortable and didn't seem like he wanted to be challenged. that's what i felt tonight. the challenger mitt romney felt more like in charge, was in command of his principles. martha: chris wallace anchor of his own show. >> now that i've had a nice sleep i see things definitely. martha: it's a fascinating calm par con to go back to george bush where he said, it's hard to be question he said there in the evening. what do you think president obama learned last night and what do you think we'll see differently next time around? >> i'm sure they prepared him at great length, but you've got to remember there is a bubble to being president and they don't get talked to that way in public, they don't get talked to that way in private, and i got to think that after four years, because ace say it reminded me of george w. bush in 2004, that they don't like somebody getting in their face, and mitt romney got in his face, and romney's command of the facts was really quite astonishing.
the challenger, john kerry took the battle to george bush and bush the president seemed very uneyes, didn't seem comfortable and didn't seem like he wanted to be challenged. that's what i felt tonight. the challenger mitt romney felt more like in charge, was in command of his principles. martha: chris wallace anchor of his own show. >> now that i've had a nice sleep i see things definitely. martha: it's a fascinating calm par con to go back to george bush where he said, it's hard to be...
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john kerry came in to the debates behind. took it to the president. the president recovered over the next few debates. so what does obama's team say to him this morning? >> it's a dicey thing. it's easy to forget that these men are human beings. they're demoralized by a bad night. buoyed by a great night. you have to build them back up. and the reality sets in pretty immediately, for any candidate. they know when they've done a bad job. they know when they've done a good news. the good news for romney is he didn't just do himself a world of good with republicans. republicans feel, for the first time, like we have a guy that can win this. he managed to frame the debate that does a world of good with independent voters. framing this election as a choice. really, a philosophical debate with the specifics underneath him, of what we know that romney can do about the role in government in american life, which is something that republicans have long felt would put romney on solid ground. >> and he did seem, matthew dowd, for the first time to reach beyond th
john kerry came in to the debates behind. took it to the president. the president recovered over the next few debates. so what does obama's team say to him this morning? >> it's a dicey thing. it's easy to forget that these men are human beings. they're demoralized by a bad night. buoyed by a great night. you have to build them back up. and the reality sets in pretty immediately, for any candidate. they know when they've done a bad job. they know when they've done a good news. the good...
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and his first debate against john kerry, he did horribly, absolutely horribly. and he came back from it. and it was i think the same dynamic. he was rusty. he didn't really put as much effort into it as he should have. and, you know, some people are saying online that maybe there is a conspiracy theory. that maybe president obama is trying to reel them in him. you all know -- >> this was not a plandz strned strategy. >> you're giving mitt romney a chance to ignite the finance base, to ignite his voting base. and to come back. and that's not something obama can afford right now. >> what you said is so important. the interesting thing is when you watch the clips this morning that you've been playing all morning, it does not look as bad for the president as it actually was. i mean he was flat. he was slow. he was very tentative. he just really sat there like a boxer and kept taking punches and didn't punch back. it was enormously frustrating. but as a matter of sound bites, what's going to get played, what is the opinion that's going to form over time, we don't rea
and his first debate against john kerry, he did horribly, absolutely horribly. and he came back from it. and it was i think the same dynamic. he was rusty. he didn't really put as much effort into it as he should have. and, you know, some people are saying online that maybe there is a conspiracy theory. that maybe president obama is trying to reel them in him. you all know -- >> this was not a plandz strned strategy. >> you're giving mitt romney a chance to ignite the finance base,...
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remember, john kerry had a really good first debate against george bush. accused of sleep walking in that debate. bush went on a long bike ride that day. was a little bit tired. bush came back in next two debates and cleaned up and obviously went on to win. >> history of incumbent presidents losing first debate. we saw that with president reagan when he was running for re-election. these guys, they're not used to being challenged they become so convinced what they're doing. they heard it for 4:00 years. they don't realize you're making sale all over again. >> right. for obama, can you reelect me. i have got work to do here. let's get this over with. 37 days to go up wrap this up. people want to see you fight for it and really win the job again. >> i think one of the things they're probably debating internally whether or not they played it to save. >> right. >> that to me seemed like a debate, they went in, you know what? got the thing basically wrapped up stall stall a little bit. don't look con today sending in your facial expression. don't say anything t
remember, john kerry had a really good first debate against george bush. accused of sleep walking in that debate. bush went on a long bike ride that day. was a little bit tired. bush came back in next two debates and cleaned up and obviously went on to win. >> history of incumbent presidents losing first debate. we saw that with president reagan when he was running for re-election. these guys, they're not used to being challenged they become so convinced what they're doing. they heard it...
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john kerry's record and turn it into a weakness and then try to peel out some undecides and independent voters but after a certain point don't blow your whole campaign war which he is going after people who may not go your way, but instead go back and try to figure out how to inflate your turnout among your base. i think the obama has done extremely well at that. so i think that 2004, if you're going to look at a model, that is one to look at in terms of the strategy ememployed in this campaign on the obama side. >> if i could add one thing, i doubt carl is going everyday to check his mailbox for that check. >> i think that's pretty safe. >> we've got one in the middle. and then we're going to go back that way. >> i was just wondering as was said both the candidates showed they were qualified to be president last night. but i was wondering if you thought the demeanor was really the main factor lost night as opposed to the actual mellssadge they were sending because they both had their own fabblingts. but i was wondering if you thought it was the way they came out and the energy that the
john kerry's record and turn it into a weakness and then try to peel out some undecides and independent voters but after a certain point don't blow your whole campaign war which he is going after people who may not go your way, but instead go back and try to figure out how to inflate your turnout among your base. i think the obama has done extremely well at that. so i think that 2004, if you're going to look at a model, that is one to look at in terms of the strategy ememployed in this campaign...